lots of complaints on his record about gay rights, energy, and so far obama hasn't used these cabinet departments to energize the base at all. kerry's fine. but you're right, in some ways, it's the policies around gun control and immigration. but these picks so far, people are sort of like -- >> hagel symbolizes something else. an enlisted grunt at the head of the pentagon. he has a solid record. again, some of my votes differ from his during my long years in congress, but i think on balance, he will be a steady hand, a little bit of a skeptic about how we go forward. i think that's a good thing, and a close ally of john kerry. >> let me get michael in here. michael, this whole idea of the cabinet, this national security team that obama's put together. it feels a lot different than the wound four years ago. >> it does. but it's still carrying forward what i think is going to be obama's big mark. i mean, on foreign policy. if you look at where the opposition is coming against hagel on the outside, the money you just mentioned for those ads and some of the ideological opponents, it's re